How could the original movement of Mahāprabhu, where practically everyone was a pure devotee at the level of prema, degenerate into many apasampradayas, like the bauls?
Hare Krishna Prabhu, very interesting explanation, Thank you.
If Adwaita Acharya prayed for the Lord to appear due to how degraded society had become, how are we to understand that all those souls received liberation? Did they achieve it despite their free will? If it was just due to mercy, is that not then unfair for those all the souls who didn't get that mercy (including us)?
They became liberated because they accepted the chanting of the holy names, due to association with Mahaprabhu's associates. It is described that His movement was so powerful that even Mayavadis, Budhists, etc. joined. It's basically the same opportunity that is available for us, but, of course, it still depends on free will :)
Just to clarify from the statement "Any jiva who was present in the world during Mahāprabhu's manifest presence got liberation".
From this we should then understand it to mean "Any jiva who was present in the world at the time of Lord Chaitanya, who came in contact with the sankirtan movement got liberation". ?
"Any jiva who was present in the world during Mahāprabhu's manifest presence got liberation" is from the text of Kanupriya.
Any jiva who came in contact with the sankirtan movement is my personal interpretation. I believe it can be interpreted in both ways, you can see what makes more sense for you.
Hare Krishna Prabhu ji 🙏 very informative article, I wanted to know who are baulas? , Ativadi, saki beki, . And when Mahaprabhu left he took all living entities back to godhead , so living entities who come in touch with him or whole living entities of this material world? If so , then again creation took place which was hidden?
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was requested by Vasudeva Datta and the Lord granted his request of liberating all the souls from the universe in CC 2.15.171 by saying -
"Because of your honest desire, all living entities within the universe will be
delivered, for Kṛṣṇa does not have to do anything to deliver all the living entities of the universe.
Thus it seems that two times world got emptied and was refilled by newer souls. Can this be said prabhu??
I believe Lord Caitanya fulfilled this request by taking all the souls with him back to Godhead, itś included in the main even, not a separate liberation.
Hare Krishna Prabhu, very interesting explanation, Thank you.
If Adwaita Acharya prayed for the Lord to appear due to how degraded society had become, how are we to understand that all those souls received liberation? Did they achieve it despite their free will? If it was just due to mercy, is that not then unfair for those all the souls who didn't get that mercy (including us)?
They became liberated because they accepted the chanting of the holy names, due to association with Mahaprabhu's associates. It is described that His movement was so powerful that even Mayavadis, Budhists, etc. joined. It's basically the same opportunity that is available for us, but, of course, it still depends on free will :)
Thank you Prabhu. What about all the people in other parts of the world and even India where Lord Chaitanya's movement hadn't yet reached?
These were the parts reserved for the Senapati Bhakta (Prabhupada) to conquer I will publish an article on that later in the day
Sorry Prabhu,
Just to clarify from the statement "Any jiva who was present in the world during Mahāprabhu's manifest presence got liberation".
From this we should then understand it to mean "Any jiva who was present in the world at the time of Lord Chaitanya, who came in contact with the sankirtan movement got liberation". ?
"Any jiva who was present in the world during Mahāprabhu's manifest presence got liberation" is from the text of Kanupriya.
Any jiva who came in contact with the sankirtan movement is my personal interpretation. I believe it can be interpreted in both ways, you can see what makes more sense for you.
Hari bol!
Hare Krishna Prabhu ji 🙏 very informative article, I wanted to know who are baulas? , Ativadi, saki beki, . And when Mahaprabhu left he took all living entities back to godhead , so living entities who come in touch with him or whole living entities of this material world? If so , then again creation took place which was hidden?
I wrote a small book on these apasampradayas, you can take a look :0
https://www.ccdas.net/p/apasampradayas
Hare Kṛṣṇa prabhu, Jaii Śrīla Prabhupāda
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was requested by Vasudeva Datta and the Lord granted his request of liberating all the souls from the universe in CC 2.15.171 by saying -
"Because of your honest desire, all living entities within the universe will be
delivered, for Kṛṣṇa does not have to do anything to deliver all the living entities of the universe.
Thus it seems that two times world got emptied and was refilled by newer souls. Can this be said prabhu??
Jaii Śrīla Prabhupāda 🙏🙇
I believe Lord Caitanya fulfilled this request by taking all the souls with him back to Godhead, itś included in the main even, not a separate liberation.