Female diksa gurus? The answer is clear, but not many want to see it
Why does the format of the body matter so much in determining who can become a spiritual teacher or not?
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There are a few points that, although simple, become the focus of much philosophical debate. One of the reasons for that is that we bring in our material concepts and speculations, failing to see it from the perspective of liberated souls. When these topics are examined from the right perspective, they are all very simple, but when we want to keep all our material misconceptions, they can become very long discussions.
One of these long-lasting discussions is the topic of “female diksa gurus”, the discussion about whether Vaiṣnavas in feminine bodies can accept disciples, or if wearing a male body is an essential qualification for one to be accepted as a guru. This remains an unresolved issue in our movement because it continues to be blocked by a certain group of devotees who are very vocal about their opinions.
Someone who studied the second chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā can immediately see this is a strange discussion. If we are not the body, why does the body matter so much? Why should the format of the body determine who can become a spiritual teacher or not?
Previously, I wrote a few articles on this point, but there is a purport in which Prabhupāda explains it much better than I could explain. Honestly speaking, I feel it is a disgrace for our movement that this point is even being discussed. It seems that almost fifty years after Prabhupāda’s departure, we are so far from understanding his teachings that we are still discussing whether the guru is the body or the soul.
Here is the verse and purport we can try to keep in mind while considering this topic. One can bring many arguments, but I believe that for any sincere seeker, these words from Prabhupāda make the point clear. We can see that when we take Prabhupada’s teachings at face value, the question becomes quite simple. The problem starts when we think we know better, when we bring our misconceptions and cultural prejudices to the table, covering these simple and sublime teachings with our casteism and philosophical misconceptions.
CC Madhya 8.128
কিবা বিপ্র, কিবা ন্যাসী, শূদ্র কেনে নয় ।
যেই কৃষ্ণতত্ত্ববেত্তা, সেই ‘গুরু’ হয় ॥ ১২৮ ॥kibā vipra, kibā nyāsī, śūdra kene naya
yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei ‘guru’ hayaSynonyms
kibā — whether; vipra — a brāhmaṇa; kibā — whether; nyāsī — a sannyāsī; śūdra — a śūdra; kene — why; naya — not; yei — anyone who; kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā — a knower of the science of Kṛṣṇa; sei — that person; guru — the spiritual master; haya — is.
Translation
“Whether one is a brāhmaṇa, a sannyāsī or a śūdra — regardless of what he is — he can become a spiritual master if he knows the science of Kṛṣṇa.”
Purport
This verse is very important to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. In his Amṛta-pravāha-bhāṣya, Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura explains that one should not think that because Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu was born a brāhmaṇa and was situated in the topmost spiritual order as a sannyāsī, it was improper for Him to receive instructions from Śrīla Rāmānanda Rāya, who belonged to the śūdra caste. To clarify this matter, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu informed Rāmānanda Rāya that knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is more important than caste. In the system of varṇāśrama-dharma there are various duties for the brāhmaṇas, kṣatriyas, vaiśyas and śūdras. Actually the brāhmaṇa is supposed to be the spiritual master of all other varṇas, or classes, but as far as Kṛṣṇa consciousness is concerned, everyone is capable of becoming a spiritual master because knowledge in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is on the platform of the spirit soul. To spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one need only be cognizant of the science of the spirit soul. It does not matter whether one is a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, sannyāsī, gṛhastha or whatever. If one simply understands this science, he can become a spiritual master.
It is stated in the Hari-bhakti-vilāsa that one should not accept initiation from a person who is not in the brahminical order if there is a fit person in the brahminical order present. This instruction is meant for those who are overly dependent on the mundane social order and is suitable for those who want to remain in mundane life. If one understands the truth of Kṛṣṇa consciousness and seriously desires to attain transcendental knowledge for the perfection of life, he can accept a spiritual master from any social status, provided the spiritual master is fully conversant with the science of Kṛṣṇa. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura also states that although one is situated as a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacārī, vānaprastha, gṛhastha or sannyāsī, if he is conversant in the science of Kṛṣṇa he can become a spiritual master as vartma-pradarśaka-guru, dīkṣā-guru or śikṣā-guru. The spiritual master who first gives information about spiritual life is called the vartma-pradarśaka-guru, the spiritual master who initiates according to the regulations of the śāstras is called the dīkṣā-guru, and the spiritual master who gives instructions for elevation is called the śikṣā-guru. Factually the qualifications of a spiritual master depend on his knowledge of the science of Kṛṣṇa. It does not matter whether he is a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, sannyāsī or śūdra. This injunction given by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not at all against the injunctions of the śāstras. In the Padma Purāṇa it is said:
na śūdrā bhagavad-bhaktās te ’pi bhāgavatottamāḥ
sarva-varṇeṣu te śūdrā ye na bhaktā janārdaneOne who is actually advanced in spiritual knowledge of Kṛṣṇa is never a śūdra, even though he may have been born in a śūdra family. However, even if a vipra, or brāhmaṇa, is very expert in the six brahminical activities (paṭhana, pāṭhana, yajana, yājana, dāna, pratigraha) and is also well versed in the Vedic hymns, he cannot become a spiritual master unless he is a Vaiṣṇava. But if one is born in the family of caṇḍālas yet is well versed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he can become a guru. These are the śāstric injunctions, and strictly following these injunctions, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, as a gṛhastha named Śrī Viśvambhara, was initiated by a sannyāsī-guru named Īśvara Purī. Similarly, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu was initiated by Mādhavendra Purī, a sannyāsī. According to others, however, He was initiated by Lakṣmīpati Tīrtha. Advaita Ācārya, although a gṛhastha, was initiated by Mādhavendra Purī, and Śrī Rasikānanda, although born in a brāhmaṇa family, was initiated by Śrī Śyāmānanda Prabhu, who was not born in a caste brāhmaṇa family. There are many instances in which a born brāhmaṇa took initiation from a person who was not born in a brāhmaṇa family. The brahminical symptoms are explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (7.11.35), wherein it is stated:
yasya yal-lakṣaṇaṁ proktaṁ puṁso varṇābhivyañjakam
yad anyatrāpi dṛśyeta tat tenaiva vinirdiśetIf a person is born in a śūdra family but has all the qualities of a spiritual master, he should be accepted not only as a brāhmaṇa but as a qualified spiritual master also. This is also the instruction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura therefore introduced the sacred thread ceremony for all Vaiṣṇavas according to the rules and regulations.
Sometimes a Vaiṣṇava who is a bhajanānandī does not take the sāvitra-saṁskāra (sacred thread initiation), but this does not mean that this system should be used for preaching work. There are two kinds of Vaiṣṇavas — bhajanānandī and goṣṭhy-ānandī. A bhajanānandī is not interested in preaching work, but a goṣṭhy-ānandī is interested in spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness to benefit the people and increase the number of Vaiṣṇavas. A Vaiṣṇava is understood to be above the position of a brāhmaṇa. As a preacher, he should be recognized as a brāhmaṇa; otherwise there may be a misunderstanding of his position as a Vaiṣṇava. However, a Vaiṣṇava brāhmaṇa is not selected on the basis of his birth but according to his qualities. Unfortunately, those who are unintelligent do not know the difference between a brāhmaṇa and a Vaiṣṇava. They are under the impression that unless one is a brāhmaṇa he cannot be a spiritual master. For this reason only, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu makes the statement in this verse:
kibā vipra, kibā nyāsī, śūdra kene naya
yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei ‘guru’ hayaIf one becomes a guru, he is automatically a brāhmaṇa. Sometimes a caste guru says that ye kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei guru haya means that one who is not a brāhmaṇa may become a śikṣā-guru or a vartma-pradarśaka-guru but not an initiator guru. According to such caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost. However, the hereditary consideration is not acceptable to Vaiṣṇavas. The word guru is equally applicable to the vartma-pradarśaka-guru, śikṣā-guru and dīkṣā-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. According to Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s intentions, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi-grāma sarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s cult must be preached all over the world. This does not mean that people should take to His teachings and remain śūdras or caṇḍālas. As soon as one is trained as a pure Vaiṣṇava, he must be accepted as a bona fide brāhmaṇa. This is the essence of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s instructions in this verse.
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Hare Krishna and humble obiesances to all devotees. All glories to Shri Guru and Shri Gauranga. All glories to Shrila Prabhupada. The above blog post is an apt post to read and consider in trying to obtain a clearer understanding of the "Female Diksha Guru (FDG)" topic, with respect to the propagation of the chanting of the Hare Krishna mahamantra in the current human society, in the earthy planet, with due consideration for the current time, place and circumstances. After some reading and hearing about this topic and after reading this purport by HDG A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupada, I have concluded to myself, in my humble opinion, that female-bodied but steadily situated in "krsnamsa jivatma platform" or "soul platform" Vaishnavi matajis indeed acted as diksa gurus, but in cases of emergency. The general trend in Sanatana dharma, and even specifically in Vaisnavism also, is that Vaishnavi matajis didn't regularly act as diksa gurus. The religious duties of male-bodied and female-bodied jivatmas are of distinct natures under the purview of the Daivi Varnasrama system of leading lives. Even when the jivatmas (who constitutionally are gender-free) desire to come to this material world by exercise of their free will or by Shri Krishna's plan, to lead their lives under a materialistic "ego", under influence of different personally chosen changeable temporary material identities, they should try to abide by the "trend of living" as per the eternal Daivi Varnashrama system. This will lead to minimum suffering during stay in this material world which is "dukhalayam asasvatam" (miserable and temporary). With due respect I wish to also share my thoughts next in a little detail, w.r.t. the topic in question.
For the bare minimum Krishna bhakti sadhana for going back to home, back to Godhead, there are two necessary practices - following of four regulative principles (both grossly and subtly) and at least offenseless (if not pure) chanting of the Hare Krishna mahamantra, after formal Harinama initiation and later initiations. In one ISKCON lecture by a senior devotee I once heard that HDG Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura Maharaja says that if a practicing devotee daily does only bare minimum Krishna bhakti sadhana, somehow, then the material mode of passion (rajoguna) and mode of ignorance (tamoguna) will be in full swing for putting material covering over the pure consciousness of the jivatma. A diksa guru needs to monitor the execution of the above two practices sincerely, strictly and seriously for one's disciples, throughout one's life and throughout lives of one's disciples. So, in the context of the aforesaid topic, in the current situation of the earthly planet, I raise some questions here that:
1) Will the formalization of female Vaishnavi diksha guru-ship bring forward extraordinary good results w.r.t. people taking up the lifelong vow of high-quality chanting of the Hare Krishna mahamantra, very seriously?
2) Will that change the eternal nature of free will of the gender-free jivatamas?
Also, I cite here a question which recently HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami Maharaja raised in one of his recent videos in his official YouTube channel about the "FDG" topic - Is there an emergency for the current human society to have female Vaishnavi diksha gurus, in the earthly planet?
Some 350+ or so years back the earthly planet was predominantly under the ruling of deviant Christian, deviant Islamic and many other so-called "religious" leaders, supported by atrocious kings, military leaders and financers. In those days, the Indian sub-continent was also mainly under dominance of deviant Islamic military followers and deviant Islamic religious leaders. Thus in such a situation of emergency Shrimati Jahnava Mata, a pure Vaisnavi and eternal consort of Supreme Lord Nityananda prabhu acted as diksa guru. The Gaura Mandala and the Indian sub-continent was under cruel ruling of the deviant Islamic leaders. The non-Islamic faith related rulers had also got highly constrained and restricted to ruling over much smaller tracts of the earthly planet, compared to the rest of the surface area of the earthly planet. Shrimati Sita Thakurani mataji, Shrimati Hemalata Thakurani mataji, Shrimati Gaurangapriya devi mataji and Shrimati Gangamata Goswamini mataji gave diksas in that historic politically difficult time, place and circumstances and that too not to a very big number of people. Further, for all these transcendental female-bodied Vaisnavi diksa gurus the Supreme Lord Shri Krishna actually manifested His transcendental pastimes for the general public to witness. Real display divine spiritual pastimes. These Vaisnavis did not just get approval as diksa gurus based on the big counts of followers of their teachings.
What I understood about the "Female Diksha Guru" topic, after hearing lectures on Varnashrama system, lectures of HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami Maharaja, HG Basu Ghosh prabhu, Namarasa podcast channel videos, Akincana Gocara YouTube channel and some more lectures and the several comments by people from different ideological backgrounds in the relevant YouTube videos, Facebook posts, comments on ISKCON SAC resolution for ISKCON Vaishnavi Ministry and from this current post, is that, under the umbrella of principles of Gaudiya Vaishnavism (and of eternal Sanatana Dharma at large), female-bodied devotionally advanced devotee matajis may be allowed to act as diksha gurus when the need is exigent (emergency).
Female-bodied pure devotee Vaishnavis are actually "optional" diksha gurus in "Daivi Varnashrama" system, according to my humble understanding. Sometimes in situations of emergency they can certainly act as diksha gurus and there are a few examples of that in the history of Sanatana dharma. Historically, pure devotee Vaishnavis hardly acted as diksha gurus.
We don't see great ladies like Ahalya, Draupadi, Kunti devi, Tara and Mandodari (the pancakanyas) becoming bent to give diksa to many followers and we also don't see their followers appealing for declaration of these "maha-naris" as diksa gurus. Similarly for mothers Sita (who acted as earthly human incarnation of internal potency of Supreme Lord Shri Rama), Durga (not just demigoddess but more than demigoddess, just like Lord Shiva is not a deva or demigod, but is maha-deva, 'maha-demigod'), Sati (higher realm human incarnation of goddess Durga), Sarasvati, Savitri and Gayatri, Anasuya, Arundhati, Devahuti, Gargi, Maitreyi, Khana, and many others. They were highly competent religious ladies to take extraordinary steps for the attempt of revival of Daivi Varnashrama system in the human society in the earthly planet, during their times.
Also, we hear in talks between Shankhachuda and Tulasi devi that in the beginning of creation two categories of women appeared: first category (vāstavarūpā and praśasta) was for trustworthy women and the second category (kṛtyā apraśasta - uttamā, madhyamā and adhamā) for all other types of women. A jivatama is eternal part and parcel of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Shri Krishna. That is, a jivatma is kṛṣṇāṁśa and is neither masculine nor feminine. It is under the materialistic influence of the pisaci Maya of the family of Irreligion, who is an agent of Mother Durgadevi (Mahamaya), that a conditioned soul or jivatma falsely identifies oneself as masculine and feminine and contends for life's "new" demands with other jivatmas. By contending, such conditioned souls intensify one of these two gender-based false identities allowing mind's dictates to overpower one's eternal true identity as krsnamsa jivatma, by misuse of free will, to employ "ego" to intensify the false identification tendency for masculinity or feminism.
Thanks and regards
Your Servant
Antaryami Krishna Dasa LNS
Hare Krishna
I don't understand the crux with title.
So, should females be Diksha guru or not?