Many worship Lord Shiva as the supreme, while others see him as just one of many demigods. In reality, both are wrong. Lord Śiva sits in the middle, above regular demigods, but subordinate to the Lord
Hare Krishna respected Your Grace Chaitanya Chandra Prabhu
Very grateful to you for the comprehensive reply and clarifying all the doubts by referring to various scriptures.Thank you so much again ....In this Saturday, I have to give a session in a University for researchers and students about the Topic: "Are Vedas Mythology?" Do you have an article on this topic,which proves that Vedas, Mahabharata, BG and Vedic scriptures are not Mythology. I live in Germany and serving in ISKCON temple. Looking forward to your reply.
This is a link from Amazon India, I don't know if the book is available in Europe or if there is an electronic version, but maybe you can contact the author.
Thank you so much dear Prabhu for oyur very faster reply. This is wonderful resource. All the chapters are interesting. But for now i will at first read the Chapter 4: Vedas vs Science
Hare Krishna Prabhu, but in many instances in sxeiptures it indicates that Lord Shiva is born out of Brahma, so many sampradayas use that reference to state that shiva is a devata created by Brahma.. how do we reconcile this with the info and refernces stated in the above article.. ( this is more prominent in Sri vaishnavism)
The real position of Lord Siva is revealed in the Srimad Bhagavatam. Scriptures can be understood in different levels, starting from a superficial inderstanding, all thhe way to the confidential meaning
Hare Krsna Prabhu. Prabhupada answers that on CC Adi 6.79:
"Lord Śiva is therefore simultaneously an expansion of Lord Viṣṇu and, in his capacity for annihilating the creation, one of the living entities. As an expansion of Lord Viṣṇu he is called Hara, and he is transcendental to the material qualities, but when he is in touch with tamo-guṇa he appears contaminated by the material modes of nature. This is explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Brahma-saṁhitā. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Tenth Canto, it is stated that Lord Rudra is always associated with the material nature when she is in the neutral, unmanifested stage, but when the modes of material nature are agitated he associates with material nature from a distance. In the Brahma-saṁhitā the relationship between Viṣṇu and Lord Śiva is compared to that between milk and yogurt. Milk is converted into yogurt by certain additives, but although milk and yogurt have the same ingredients, they have different functions. Similarly, Lord Śiva is an expansion of Lord Viṣṇu, yet because of his taking part in the annihilation of the cosmic manifestation, he is considered to be changed, like milk converted into yogurt. In the Purāṇas it is found that Śiva appears sometimes from the heads of Brahmā and sometimes from the head of Viṣṇu. The annihilator, Rudra, is born from Saṅkarṣaṇa and the ultimate fire to burn the whole creation. In the Vāyu Purāṇa there is a description of Sadāśiva in one of the Vaikuṇṭha planets. That Sadāśiva is a direct expansion of Lord Kṛṣṇa’s form for pastimes. It is said that Sadāśiva (Lord Śambhu) is an expansion from the Sadāśiva in the Vaikuṇṭha planets (Lord Viṣṇu) and that his consort, Mahāmāyā, is an expansion of Ramā-devī, or Lakṣmī. Mahāmāyā is the origin or birthplace of material nature."
He mentions:
“Sadāśiva (Lord Śambhu) is an expansion from the Sadāśiva in the Vaikuṇṭha planets (Lord Viṣṇu)”—meaning: the original Sadāśiva is on the Viṣṇu side, while Śambhu is the expansion connected with the material energy and its functions, in other words, Śiva-tattva. .
Hare Krishna respected Your Grace Chaitanya Chandra Prabhu
Very grateful to you for the comprehensive reply and clarifying all the doubts by referring to various scriptures.Thank you so much again ....In this Saturday, I have to give a session in a University for researchers and students about the Topic: "Are Vedas Mythology?" Do you have an article on this topic,which proves that Vedas, Mahabharata, BG and Vedic scriptures are not Mythology. I live in Germany and serving in ISKCON temple. Looking forward to your reply.
Your Servant
Omkaresvara das
Hare Krsna Prabhu! I don't have something directly on this topic, but there is a devotee who made research and published a book:
https://www.amazon.in/Mahabharata-History-English-Chandru-Ramesh/dp/8195892507
This is a link from Amazon India, I don't know if the book is available in Europe or if there is an electronic version, but maybe you can contact the author.
His facebook is: https://www.facebook.com/chandru.historika
Hare Krishna dear Chaitanya Chandra Prabhu
Many many thanks
I have this book with me. He has given some archeological facts and proofs of Mahabharata war. Thank you so much.
I was looking for some scientific proof of Knowledge in Vedas and other scriptures.
That the knowledge in Vedas is not blind faith and unscientific.
Anyway I m very grateful for your reply.
Hare Krishna
Your Servant
I understand now.
I added something connected with dates and a few other things on https://www.ccdas.net/p/intriguing-vedic-universe
There is another book that has more, The Big Band and the Sages
But in general, we can't really prove much of the knowledge of the vedas scientifically, since it is by nature methaphisical
Thank you so much dear Prabhu for oyur very faster reply. This is wonderful resource. All the chapters are interesting. But for now i will at first read the Chapter 4: Vedas vs Science
Thank you so much again !
Your servant
Hare Krishna Prabhu, but in many instances in sxeiptures it indicates that Lord Shiva is born out of Brahma, so many sampradayas use that reference to state that shiva is a devata created by Brahma.. how do we reconcile this with the info and refernces stated in the above article.. ( this is more prominent in Sri vaishnavism)
The real position of Lord Siva is revealed in the Srimad Bhagavatam. Scriptures can be understood in different levels, starting from a superficial inderstanding, all thhe way to the confidential meaning
Hare Krishna
Wonderful article dear Chaitanya Chandra Charana Prabhu.
Very grateful to you.
One question:
You have mentioned that Sada Shiva is Vishnu Tattva.
But is the Sambhu aspect of Sada Shiva is also Vishnu Tattva or that is Shiva Tattva due to contact with Material Energy.
I will be very grateful for the clarification.
Hare Krishna
Your Servant
Omkaresvara das
Hare Krsna Prabhu. Prabhupada answers that on CC Adi 6.79:
"Lord Śiva is therefore simultaneously an expansion of Lord Viṣṇu and, in his capacity for annihilating the creation, one of the living entities. As an expansion of Lord Viṣṇu he is called Hara, and he is transcendental to the material qualities, but when he is in touch with tamo-guṇa he appears contaminated by the material modes of nature. This is explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Brahma-saṁhitā. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Tenth Canto, it is stated that Lord Rudra is always associated with the material nature when she is in the neutral, unmanifested stage, but when the modes of material nature are agitated he associates with material nature from a distance. In the Brahma-saṁhitā the relationship between Viṣṇu and Lord Śiva is compared to that between milk and yogurt. Milk is converted into yogurt by certain additives, but although milk and yogurt have the same ingredients, they have different functions. Similarly, Lord Śiva is an expansion of Lord Viṣṇu, yet because of his taking part in the annihilation of the cosmic manifestation, he is considered to be changed, like milk converted into yogurt. In the Purāṇas it is found that Śiva appears sometimes from the heads of Brahmā and sometimes from the head of Viṣṇu. The annihilator, Rudra, is born from Saṅkarṣaṇa and the ultimate fire to burn the whole creation. In the Vāyu Purāṇa there is a description of Sadāśiva in one of the Vaikuṇṭha planets. That Sadāśiva is a direct expansion of Lord Kṛṣṇa’s form for pastimes. It is said that Sadāśiva (Lord Śambhu) is an expansion from the Sadāśiva in the Vaikuṇṭha planets (Lord Viṣṇu) and that his consort, Mahāmāyā, is an expansion of Ramā-devī, or Lakṣmī. Mahāmāyā is the origin or birthplace of material nature."
He mentions:
“Sadāśiva (Lord Śambhu) is an expansion from the Sadāśiva in the Vaikuṇṭha planets (Lord Viṣṇu)”—meaning: the original Sadāśiva is on the Viṣṇu side, while Śambhu is the expansion connected with the material energy and its functions, in other words, Śiva-tattva. .
Hare Krishna
The article seems to be presented from Vaishnavism point of view.
This may change when we look from Shiv puran perspective.
Also Srimad Bhagavatam canto 8 chapter 7 verses 21 to 35 describe the position of Shiv.
We need to consider more than one aspect to understand Shiv as a supreme Lord.
Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna Prabhu.. nice summary.. yesterday's questions answer has come as an article.. 😊
if this clarity existed Saivaities and Vaishnavites fights would have reduced.. 🙏